western forces required to support the afghan army, and i agree with ambassador jawad, i believe it's a much more difficult situation, by some counts would require probably in excess of 50,000 people, including contractors because the afghan army has gotten there, it's kind of our support, it's got no medical support, logistic, et cetera, et cetera, eet cetera, et cetera,et cetera. october that the salaries will run somewhere around $4 billion a year. it was going to pay them? my sense to add to this pessimism is that the obama administration is very likely not to cut and run that cut and walk. you see signs in the press right now to get down to a much lower lower level, the number is 6000 around. but if those things were to take place, how does the afghan security forces really operate without the support it needs in terms of air, in terms of logistics, in terms of fire, in terms of pay? especially when virtually every nato country really wants to get out as quickly as possible.